Thank you for your question Graham, sorry for the delay in reply.
As I see it, there is a fundamental problem in what Gordon Brown wants and is expecting to get from the major UK banks, and the causes that have brought this particular problem about.
A lot of the cheap lending that took place across the US, UK and mainland Europe was based on lending backed by assets. When it turned out those assets were based on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac style repackaged subprime mortgage products that had been converted into CDO’s, not only did their value get wiped out, as the reality of this type of lending caught up with the banks, all the products associated with them (like Credit Default Swaps) also reversed from safe money-making assets into bad insurance policies that had to be paid out.
Now it can be said that moves have been made to stem these losses through government share purchases, the creation of a liquidity scheme to replace the private interbank lending that died when reality hit, and the moves to allow banks to swap bad assets for good Treasury bonds.
However, even though this is all well and good for the banks, and may just about keep them afloat (even RBS) it does not change the fact that all the industries that had created assets which backed the lending between 1999 and 2007 have now dissappeared. These assets that were part of what is being called the ’shadow banking sector’ made all this lending possible to home owners in the UK, and now it’s gone and is unlikley ever to come back, so too is the lending that made its way to UK home buyers.
So, although the Labour government keep playing the information game and convincing everyone that by saving the banks they can now order them to turn the lending tap back on, the potential profits from CDO’s (Consolidated Debt Obligations) and CDS’s (Credit Default Swaps) have gone, and the net book value that also allowed billions in lending to take place has also gone, there will be no immendiate return to what we’ve been used to in the past 8 years in terms of the high volume of lending.
It seems that this should be apparent to any policy makers looking at what has caused such destruction to the UK banking sector. Even though we see record losses posted (like the £20 billion by RBS in January) the Labour government, the Treasury and the FSA are still not allowed to mention this elephant in the room; the decimated CDO and CDS markets. In their twisted logic it probably has something to do with ’speak no evil, see no evil, and the situation will eventually go away as the market picks up’.
Fact is, that’s wrong. I don’t think any financial firm anywhere in the world, whether its banks or others, will allow subprime mortgages back into the game, so all we’ve got to look forward to is lending based on deposits which was the original core of real old style lending.
What is the longstanding affect from this disappearence of sufficient lending by UK banks? Well we’ve seen the first installment – the collapse in UK house prices. This unfortunatley is only the first wave of consequences.
Still to come we have the record repossession rates from Q3 & Q4 of 2009, and Q1 & Q2 of 2010 as the unemployment caused by struggling UK businesses combines with the real collapse in mortgage payments from people who have lost their income. This will further hurt the banks and restrict lending, and also see house prices dive further as banks swamp the auction houses with repossessed properties.
We’ll then start to hear talk of a bottom to the falls in house prices as its decided that house prices can’t fall any further and all the pain must surely have been dealt by now. Unfortunatley however that is only the end of the second wave of negative consequences.
The real end of days situation that marks the start of the third wave is when all the Labour governments’ economy-breaking spending pledges to help UK banks come back to haunt us. The first signs of problems are already on us, the price of UK bonds have collapsed. This is because as we make more promises of cash to banks with money we don’t already have, bond holders know we’ll be looking to sell about £800 billion new government backed gilts (bonds everywhere else).
The more you sell the more worried the market gets that you won’t meet the payments, so the price of them falls. Then there’s the fact that the new bonds will pay out less as the Bank of England have a very low interest rate, so the returns aren’t worth the risk, pushing prices down further. This then means that the government will need to sell more of them to raise the £800 billion it needs to fund its promises, further weakening our ability to pay the returns. At this point we’d expect to see the UK credit rating drop from ‘triple A’ as many people are currently discussing.
How does this affect wave three of the housing market? Well, this will cause our currency to collapse and alongside the perpetually stupid idea of ‘Quantative Easing’ (printing money) which will cause a spike in inflation, we’ll see the Bank of England need to raise interest rates to counter these two problems. For UK homeowners this will mark the most devastating part of this economic collapse, because those who have hung on so far will see rising prices again and higher interest rates. As fixed rate deals are harder to get, as banks have restricted lending, the index linked tracker mortgages and the variable rate customers will have swollen in volume and they’ll be hit by a higher mortgage cost. This will cause a new wave of defaults and reposessions, and result in a further drop in already depressed housing prices.
So overall how is the UK housing market holding up? Unfortunatley they haven’t even seen how bad or how far this depression will go, most have no idea what negative equity is or how it will bankrupt them when they get repossessed, and with 3 million unemployed by Q4 2009, they’ll wonder why no one ever warned them that a situation like this could occur.
As bad as things are at the minute, and as much as stupid people are seeing the ‘green shoots of recovery’ to entice more misguided purchases to take place, the mortgage industry is about to get a whole lot worse, and not stop getting worse for a long time to come.
At least that is how I see it. For rays of sunshine you have to be looking underground like all the UK policy makers are doing, with their heads buried firmly in the sand!
January 25, 2009 at 7:41 pm |
Things are getting pretty tough out there at the moment.
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January 25, 2009 at 7:52 pm |
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January 28, 2009 at 1:13 am |
Great! Thank you very much!
I always wanted to write in my blog something like that. Can I take part of your post to my blog?
Of course, I will add backlink?
Regards, Your Reader
February 12, 2009 at 8:13 pm |
Hi Timur,
Sorry it took me so long to get a reply out, once again a spam clear out uncovered a bunch of readers comment.
I would be happy for you to use anything written here in any way you want. I went to your site to have a look at your blog but unfortunately I only know English so couldn’t read what was there.
I’m currently working on my February entry and want to look at the bonus culture in my next post as its the financial story of the moment, so hopefully there’ll be more from me soon.
Many thanks
Ullrakesh
March 13, 2009 at 4:07 pm |
Hello again
Great post a very detailed. I understand what your saying about quantative easing but surely we do not have an option but to enter into this allbeit dangerous game.
We have slashed interest rates down to 0.5% and realisticaly the BOE is never going to drop to 0% so we actually do not have a choice but to play the danger game?
I was entrigued to read that Northern Rock has paid back so much of its debt to the government in such a short space of time, surley this proves that banks are still profiting even in this market. Now they are commiting to lending again….
My point being I am incensed with our Government for lending the money to the banks but not ensuring it filters through to the people. The banks have taken a nice cash injection and then sat thier licking their wounds knowing full well somebody else will pick up the pieces.
I am interested to know your thoughts on this…
Thanks very much for taking the time to reply in such detail.
Thanks again
G
April 7, 2009 at 12:40 am |
Hi Graham,
I’m sorry for the delay in response, I was aiming to incorporate an answer into my next post but as its been ages I’m changing tack and posting this quick response first.
It is quite refreshing to see a British government deal with the huge collapse our economy into recession with the rather original approach of spending their way out of trouble. In the 1970’s we found that spending in this fashion based on borrowing resulted in a rather special combination of both a recession and hyper inflation coexisting at the same time. However to prove we’re nothing if not tenacious, we’re going to try this same idea a second time just to make sure it’s completely stupid.
As you say we’ve shoved all our chips onto the table but rather then the traditional choice of black or red, we’re betting on Brown. It could be viewed as not having a choice until you consider the fact that we do have a choice how we proceed, and it’s only fear of taking our medicine that’s stopping us from pursuing the alternatives.
we could for example have kept the promises of the free market philosophy, that strong companies survive and week companies die. If you make losses you go into administration and if you run out of cash you become insolvent. We have no business allowing investment bankers to make millions of £ each selling products like CDO’s and CDS’s based on sub-prime loans( knowing clearly at the time how they’re doing this), only for the inevitable reality to hit and Brown and Darling to turn up and make it all OK.
Vince Cable has voiced the old adage of ‘Privatising profits and socialising losses’ and this perfectly describes the entirety of this situation. We fear what Britain would become if we lost our financial prowess, and we had to face reality that the future of British banking is only a fraction of the size of the industry that once existed back at the turn of the millennium. Our economy would lose ground it would take decades to recover (if at all possible), and that is why we’ve reach our current position. Non of us want to live in an economy that’s regressing, and the rest of the world doesn’t want a big player like us to regress either, not the way we would have had we let Northan Rock, HBOS and RBS go into administration.
It is however an option Brown and Darling had, to make the choice true to their free market values and let the market correct itself and look to build the economy from the ground up once we’ve lost it all. The truth is however that servicing our national debts and lacking start-up capital, expertise and framework would have meant we’d not be able to regain what we’d lost in these areas, and with a rising India and China looking to supplant anyone who drops off the top table, the old hegemony concerns combine with the other arguments to cause Brown and Darling to opt for a bailout instead. From their point of view downsizing the UK economy to fit its true financial position is as risky as running a 10% deficit and borrowing 100% annual GDP. Still, spending your way out of trouble is not the choice I would have made.
The deal with the Northern Rock paying back its debts is made easier when the government keep the good loans on the Rock’s books, and then refuse to deal with the toxic holding vehicle (Gravil) that once up on a time handled all the Rock’s lending and was based on finance from the money markets. A roughly £26 billion write off that will no doubt end up in the BOE toxic asset programme.
As for the lending filtering down to the real economy after the bank rescue, this is all smoke and mirrors. The lending pre 2008 was largely funded by the money markets, which in turn had been based on bad derivative products such as CDO’s and CDS’s and the growth in asset values. As this shadow banking industry has lost the $11 Trillion value it once had and no longer exists, how will recapitalising the banks allow them to get lending back to the pre 2008 levels – answer – it won’t. The banks know this, the government knows this and deep down we all know that this is not the time to be expanding what little lending you’re doing as a bank.
In the end the fact we aren’t allowed to borrow should reassure us that some sense has returned to banking management, as lending into a market of falling asset values is not a prudent venture, and any return on investment would be on the way back up which will be years away. This would amount to a slow returning risky venture. If you know that the $11 Trillion money market capital isn’t available to help swing the situation, then you can be sure that assets are still going to fall and property lending is not the way to return to profitability as a bank, even after the bailout.
Given the damage banks have done to the UK balance sheet, and the repercussions awaiting all those bank customers as they try to deal with making payments in tomorrows pending disaster of an economy. I do believe that the UK government is playing the system a lot here, spending our cash on banks with promises of lending to follow, while creating the worst economic conditions for lending seen since the 1930’s and deliberately not mentioning the missing $11 Trillion shadow banking capital that would make lending a profitable venture in the UK and US once again.